Where did the money go?

Bernie Madoff took in, the news tells us, billions of dollars — a $50,000,000,000 scheme.

Now, the pregnant question is “where is it now?”

The essence of a Ponzi scheme is that early investors are paid off with the “investments” of later investors and relies on an ever increasing number of investors to maintain the fraud.  These pay-outs to the early investors are liable for recovery under the doctrine of “fraudlent conveyance,” which means those payments to early investors are potentially recoverable.  Likewise, other financial institutions dealing with Madoff were paid for their services.  Presumably these monies are recoverable.  Lastly, there is the question of the salaries and bonuses paid to Madoff’s co-conspirators employees.

From the New York Times:

“Clients of Fairfield, a secretive hedge fund advisory company based in Connecticut, lost $7.3 billion to Mr. Madoff’s fund. But for Fairfield, working with Mr. Madoff was hugely profitable.

Internal documents from Fairfield show that the firm has taken more than $500 million in fees since 2003 alone from the money it placed with Mr. Madoff. Nearly all those fees went to a handful of Fairfield executives, including Walter M. Noel, Fairfield’s founder, who used the money to build a glamorous life, splitting his time between homes in New York, Connecticut, Florida and the Caribbean.

As it raised money all over the world, Fairfield also made detailed pledges about how it would monitor and track Mr. Madoff’s investments, the documents show. Now, investors and regulators are sure to ask whether Fairfield made good on those promises — or whether it was a facilitator of the Madoff scandal as well as a victim.”

Where did the money go?  And who shall watch the watchman?

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Dave in EH

4 Comments

  1. russ on December 22, 2008 at 3:38 pm

    just like paying taxes



  2. Wyndeward on December 22, 2008 at 3:52 pm

    Sadly, it is worse than government — I can occasionally see my tax dollar at work.



  3. Dimsdale on December 23, 2008 at 1:18 pm

    Sad as it is, we are watching the ultra rich get taken in by the same Ponzi scheme that the rest of us are forced into: Social(ist) Security. At least they had a choice.

    What is most ironic is that many of them will depend on the SS Ponzi scheme for their retirements!

    I look at this and say, "where have I heard this before?": "The essence of a Ponzi scheme is that early investors are paid off with the “investments” of later investors and relies on an ever increasing number of investors to maintain the fraud."

    The names may change, but the game remains the same.



  4. Wyndeward on December 23, 2008 at 5:34 pm

    Technically the Ponzi scheme pre-dates SS and SS didn't set out to be a Ponzi scheme — it is just that the pension fund was just *sitting* there are LBJ thought it should be "invested" in welfare programs — what could possibly go wrong?



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