The 9-11 Families Remember UPDATE: Mischief In Manhattan

I will not and cannot add anything to this video. Please … never forget. This is why these 9-11 families do not want the mosque built. Building bridges begins with being sensitive to these families.There is nothing unreasonable or Islamophobic here.

httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIlCiX0LIqA

Your thoughts?

UPDATE: Mischief in Manhattan. Here is the article that our RVO listener Jim called about:

New York currently boasts at least 30 mosques so it’s not as if there is pressing need to find space for worshippers. The fact we Muslims know the idea behind the Ground Zero mosque is meant to be a deliberate provocation to thumb our noses at the infidel. The proposal has been made in bad faith and in Islamic parlance, such an act is referred to as “Fitna,” meaning “mischief-making” that is clearly forbidden in the Koran.

The Koran commands Muslims to, “Be considerate when you debate with the People of the Book” — i.e., Jews and Christians. Building an exclusive place of worship for Muslims at the place where Muslims killed thousands of New Yorkers is not being considerate or sensitive, it is undoubtedly an act of “fitna”

Read it all.

35 replies
  1. chris-os
    chris-os says:

    The 911 families are split on this.

    Ted Olson, Bush's former soliciter general and husband of 9/11 victim, Barbara Olson, said, in part..

    "we don't want to turn an act of hate against us by extremists into an act of intolerance for people of religious faith. And I don't think it should be a political issue. It shouldn't be a Republican or Democratic issue, either. I believe Gov. Christie from New Jersey said it well, that this should not be in that political, partisan marketplace."

  2. chris-os
    chris-os says:

    Appears there is no post here talking about Republicans blocking aid to the 9/11 rescue workers. That is dishonoring the victims of 9/11.

    • Dimsdale
      Dimsdale says:

      Be serious.  The Democrats were seeking a two thirds majority in House to prevent the Republicans from tacking on an amendment to pay for the package with money set aside for health care reform.

       

      Those monsters!  /sarcasm

      • chris-os
        chris-os says:

        They are monsters. These are the heroes that ran into the towers when people were running out.

        Republican obstructionism. The US political climate has devolved into a quagmire where Republicans would rather oppose anything that might benefit Democrats politically without consideration for the merits of what they oppose.

        They laughed at Weiner's rant.. while the first responders are dying, daily.

         

         

      • scottm
        scottm says:

        Yes the money is set aside for health care reform, why not take it out of the billions spent on unnecesary weapons that become obsolete before they can be used.  Maybe instead of building a presidential library for Bush's comic books they can use the money for treating these heroes instead.

      • Dimsdale
        Dimsdale says:

        You mean the health of the 9/11 workers is not "health care"?  What is the concern with using "health care monies" for the health care of these people?

         

        Your snarky remark about Bush should be tempered by Øbama's reading list (other than the book Hugo Chavez gave him).  We can find out what Bush read, i.e. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/arti… , but nothing about Øbama.  Why is that?

    • Tim-in-Alabama
      Tim-in-Alabama says:

      Chris, earlier you typed this should not be a political issue, and then you proceed to change the subject and call Republicans "monsters." Please define "should not be a political issue."

      • winnie888
        winnie888 says:

        Tim….allow me to guess…

        "should not be a political issue" means that no one here should point out the sleazy tactics used by democrats to put through extra pork spending in the 9/11 first responders bill.  The Republicans stopped the bill and that made them "monsters".  By pointing out why Republicans stopped the bill, that would make us "monsters".  Isn't the logic there evident?  😉

      • Dimsdale
        Dimsdale says:

        You did not "quote" me, chris: if you did, you would have applied the /sarcasm tag as I did to make it easy for you.   You did misuse it though, then deftly ignored my remark.

         

        Try again.

  3. winnie888
    winnie888 says:

    No matter how many times I see any video regarding 9/11/01 I feel exactly the same inside as I did on that horrible, nightmarish day.  No one should ever forget the shock, fear, outrage and how we were so traumatized by this attack.  No matter how much I would like to wipe the images from my memory, I will never forget.  These families who are against the building of a mosque near ground zero should be heard (not investigated).

  4. BEA
    BEA says:

    My heart breaks for these families…it's got to be like a slap in the face. And even though I don't personally know anyone who lost their life in this terrorist attack, I still think that out of respect and compassion the mosque should be built somewhere else. Wow, now that would be a show of tolerance!

    JUST BECASUE YOU CAN DO SOMETHING DOESN'T MEAN YOU SHOULD. 

  5. Anne-EH
    Anne-EH says:

    All this talk and planning about a new mosque going up is simply just a way to SLAP the faces of the families of those who died on 9/11/01.

    Plus another SLAP in the face is the fact that a Greek Orthodox church, which was there on that fateful day, has not been rebuilt and all talks have ended to rebuild that church.

    • HamHocks
      HamHocks says:

      That church is a completely different situation than the Islamic culture center (there's a mosque inside it, but it's not just a mosque). The church got tangled in all of the red tape that comes with being built on ground zero (not 2 blocks away, like the Islamic center) and having to sort out all of the public funding for such a project, not to mention the handfull of building issues related to planning a building in that area. That Islamic center is privately funded on private property. It's not "simply just a way to slap the faces" of anybody. It's a community center open to the public, yourself included.

      • Anne-EH
        Anne-EH says:

        Here is an interview which really goes more into detail a whole lot better then I can type respond. This is an interview of the priest for St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church, and it has video of what the church looked like from not only both the outside but inside the main worship area. The priest gives details that even I had not known too much on. Here is the URL:
        http://video.foxnews.com/v/4315261/ground-zero-ch
        BTW: The building that is in question, besides community center, since it is Muslim, a mosque will come with it.

      • scottm
        scottm says:

        The pentagon also contains a mosque.  We better get fixed news on the horn, maybe they can stir up some protests.

      • HamHocks
        HamHocks says:

        I know a mosque comes with it. I said that in my initial comment. My point was that calling it a mosque takes a lot of the context out of the argument. It’s a community center open to the public with a mosque inside of it. My local hospital has a chapel inside of it but I don’t call the hospital a church. That would be extremely misleading. Besides, this is as clear as day. The Islamic center is going to be privately funded on private property. The church you are talking about is on land owned by the Port Authority and will have to be paid for with public funding. This isn’t a situation where anybody is “picking” one religion over another. This is a textbook example of apples and oranges. That video you linked to was extremely misleading (with Fox & Friends, that’s no surprise) because they kept framing the scenario as if someone was approving the mosque while denying the church. That’s just not true.
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      • HamHocks
        HamHocks says:

        Well, if we're being honest, that's a multi-denominational chapel in the Pentagon. It's not a mosque any more than it is a church. I think the "mosque in the Pentagon" defense is a silly and wholly unnecessary distraction from the simplicity of the actual issue. These folks have a right to build their community center (with a mosque) on their own property with their own money. I'm flabbergasted that so many people who claim to hold our constitution so sacred are so quickly and blatantly willing to disregard it.

         

  6. Lynn
    Lynn says:

    Chris, This is one subject, I just can't even begin to read your comments. Apparently you had difficulty too, because you didn't stay on subject. You just went to another tired Liberal track. Hope you can sleep at night. Thanks to all of you who could respond to him.

    • chris-os
      chris-os says:

      I do have trouble sleeping at night.

      I am saddened by the outrageous displays of intolerance and duplicity that is now running rampant.  I have always been proud of this country and its fine citizens, even when my own patriotism was put in question because I did not ascribe to the ridiculous policies of Bush, Cheney, et al. But lately, it has been difficult to continue feeling that way.

      • Dimsdale
        Dimsdale says:

        So  now you lose sleep over the ridiculous and destructive policies of Øbama, Pelosi and Reid?

         

        I can see why.

  7. scottm
    scottm says:

    I find it treasonous that the GOP is stirring up Islamophobia and Muslim bigotry while we have soldiers fighting in countries with Muslim populations. Why don’t they just take our soldiers out behind the RNC or FOX headquarters and shoot them themselves. “Friendly fire” has never been so rampant in this country  

    I can't take credit for the above quote I got it from another site but it sure is something to think about.

    • Dimsdale
      Dimsdale says:

      Why do you assume that the Muslims in charge of this project did not set out to create the very controversy you describe?  Is this some sort of soft bigotry?

       

      It all comes back to whether they give a fig about our sensitivities while demanding that we respect theirs.  It is a two way street.

    • winnie888
      winnie888 says:

      Dims, thank you for posting that article.  When Muslims from other nations begin to speak out against this, maybe it's time for Rauf to listen.  And yeah…sure would be nice to know where the funding for said Mosque/Community Center is coming from.  Still unknown, isn't it?

      • Anne-EH
        Anne-EH says:

        Would not surprise me if the "money" to help pay for this mosque/community center comes from sources such as Saudi Arabia or maybe even Iran.

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