GO SHOVE YOUR BAILOUT!
This is too much … From the NY Post. I was wondering if other people felt this way and now I know.
“I don’t even have a car – why should I give them my money?” asked Cruz, of Astoria. Cruz said she earns about $10 an hour – not that much more than the $7.15-an-hour minimum wage. And that’s $10 an hour only when times are good, which they haven’t been lately. “I work really hard to get it,” she said of her salary and tips. Cruz also said she has an SUV-sized problem with the outrageous featherbedding in Detroit known as the “job banks.”
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Gee… sounds to me like the only folks hot to bail out the auto industry are the auto industry, the unions and those who perceive that opportunity for the state to take over more of the economy under their personal control.
I don't have kids so why should I pay property taxes for schools.
I own my own guns so why should I pay for police protection.
I rent and can easliy move if my place burns down so why should I pay for fire protection.
I drink beer so why should I pay taxes for clean water.
I will some day die of something so why should goverment money be spent on medical researce.
Why are my tax dollars paying for her colleage. Every college gets goverment help in one way or another. Let her earn her own way.
Why is she taking classes on something she will never make a living at.. Hows that it goes both ways.
We are strong when we work together not against each other. I say Miss Cruz you make 7.15 cents an hour. Sorry to break this to you you do not pay taxes anyway and are in fact living off of my hard work .
I have nothing against that I know someday you will maybe make a good living and not be a leach off the system as you unknowly are at this time.
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Gary, I know you cop to your ignorance, but it doesn't constitute a defense from reality.
The government should spend on public goods. Bailing out private businesses is not a public good.
The counter Gary questions:
I have kids in private school, so why should I pay property taxes for public schools?
I own my own guns so why can't I defend myself without being prosecuted or investigated by police, whose "protection" is defined as cleaning up after the fact?
I rent and can easily move if my place burns down so why should I pay for fire protection, unless I am in the apartment in question, or it burns down the dwelling of those who do own their domiciles?
I drink beer so why should I pay taxes for the clean water used to make the beer? (probably for the same reason you don't drink Chinese beer. I hope.)
I will some day die of something so why should government money be spent on medical research that kills fetuses or embryos?
Why are my tax dollars paying for anyone's college? Every college student should get no government help. Let her/her earn their own way, and watch the cost of college go down. Gov't subsidies have driven the cost of college far beyond that of inflation or actual cost.
Why is she taking classes on something she will never make a living at.. Hows that it goes both ways. (I am not sure what this question means, Gary, but have you ever taken a core curriculum? It is called a "liberal" education (pun possibly intended).
We are strong when we work together not against each other. I say Miss Cruz you make 7.15 cents an hour. Sorry to break this to you you do not pay taxes anyway and are in fact living off of my hard work. (are those the words of a socialist?)
I have nothing against that, as I know someday you will likely make a good living and not be a leech on the system as you unknowingly are at this time. (so if you make minimum wage, you are a leech? Oh my! The compassionate socialist!)
Sorry about the long post above, Jim. Your other entry on the "ignorance poll" just fired me up! I'll be good (relatively speaking….)!
Don't try to confuse him with facts, Dims.
Gary doesn't need facts or rational thought, he has class envy and slogans to guide him.
Do you suppose our congress critters might take note of Cruz and the thousands, maybe millions like her, who may vote in the next election?
Actual representation from your representative? What a concept!
They'll ignore Anna .. my guess is she doesn't contribute to political parties. Besides … remember the last time a blue collar person spoke out … can you say "Joe The Plumber". Thank the Lord she didn't say anything about Obama. My guess is she would be gone.
My comments still stand. She does not pay taxes.She bashes auto companies for falling on hard times and taking her money while living off the systemherself.
I did not put her here a reporter and this blog put herself here with her argument about her money being taking. The qestion was how do you feel about her ststements and it was meant to say hey ya Jim you so right that even someone making 7.15 an hour gets it. But do remember this her talking about job banks as this thing of no goood was in fact a age old practice by companies when work got slow.
Gary the Socialist: "She does not pay taxes."
Sure she does, Gary. She pays SSI, which is then "borrowed" from the trust-fund at sub-market rates by the government and spent. She pays any number of Federal taxes, albeit indirectly, on any alcohol she consumes, tobacco she smokes, etc.
The only tax you can guarantee that she doesn't pay is, since you can't possibly know all the details of her total income beyond the meager facts of the story, is gas taxes.
Oh my! The compassionate socialist!)… I would like to inform you that before I was pushed as far to left as I am now I was as straight down the middle (leaning right) as a person could be and it was Jim's show that finally made me go to become a ultra liberal( last April or March I think), a socialist if you will .My comment still stands she is not in any way or form paying into the system and is living off of the work of other, providing for her safty and laws that give her at least at a minnum wage, yet I do not read of a detroit auto line worker complaining about her not paying her way through life. I will as I always say we are one and for the benifit of all when we work together for the benifit of all ,for all of huminity and not just bashing and trashing of others like she is .My compassion is there for her and seek to help her understand that those taxes she does not pay that may keep one of the largest high paying corporations of wages and taxes and charity for the poor of this land are payed back to her thousands of times over everyday.Where is her thanks and comppasion and respect for the work of others.I hear anger at her about the tough times and that she is making less and less now, so where do those who can not ask for raises go they, go bashing taxes.Taxes that do so much good for her and me.Taxes she is not paying execept in the larger sense by other ways by others…..I think she should go on TV and write a book though .How I waittress live on a part time job at 7.15 an hour and go to college and make it by for only 150.00 a week in the most expensice city in the world.. I make over 30.00 and have a hard time and yes that is jelouse and I would love to know how she is doing it.
Gary the Socialist: "My comment still stands she is not in any way or form paying into the system"
Only if you prop it up with a healthy dose of denial.
Where does she get her payroll taxes (SSI, FUTA, SUTA and Medicare) refunded? Where does she get her Federal excise taxes refunded? These are all taxes that all get paid "into the system."
There are all sorts of Federal taxes that a body pays and they all go "into the system." Ignorance is not merely no excuse it is neither an argument nor a defense, Gary. Your seeming lack of knowledge about who pays what Federal taxes does not buttress your unsupported assertion that she pay "no tax."
In a nutshell…..Our fearless leaders, (coughing choking sound in the background), Congress will succumb to the begging and pleading auto execs. This will put Congressional leaders into business. They will now have the self proclaimed expertise to review and offer oversight to business plans and make corrective in process decisions.
The Americans that support the bail out either work in the Auto Industry or rely the American Auto manufacturers for their livlihood. These Americans mostly walk the walk and talk the talk.
The Ameircans and the posters here on this blog that drive cars of foreign name plates, decry any form of bail out, only have themselves to blame. Are you really that arrogant to think those buying decisions you made over the years turned out to sound fiscal judgement?
Very foolish on your part. Your buying decisions gave strength to foreign companies, moving vast amounts of wealth off our shores and into foreign lands. These decisions emboldened these foreign companies to set up asembly facilities on U.S. soil and further undercut American worker enterprise. To get this foothold, massive tax incentives were provided to lure these predators onto our land.
Do you really think that the Jap, Korean, German car in your driveway was worth it? How shortsighted is that? Very Pathetic. Now you will pay and you will pay dearly.
Maybe you're not old enough to remember, but "Made in America" on a car wasn't an endorsement, it was an indictment.
Even my old Dodge Stratus — of much more recent vintage than the disasters of the seventies and eighties, leaked water like a sieve into the driver's compartment.
And before you say a word, I have two American made cars in the driveway at night and am against the bail-out. The market has voted and government money isn't going to change a thing.
I still stick to my claim that she pays no taxes. Those other you list are insurances and not taxes.I know when people complain about taxes they include these but I do not. I count taxes as what you pay to your goverment on your income.Or business I do not fel paying for insurance that you will use as taxes and is the same as a health savings acount or a retirement plan which they are.. I would ask you to please do keep your comments a bit non-personel and respectable. I try at all times and may mess up but you Sir come on ever comment section and attack and attack everyone who respectes the blog and leaves a comment. I love debates and to learn but as I have asked many times how about you in fact leaving a comment about the story before jumping on everyones back.. I also and say with pride that I am ignorant ignorant of a lot of things and as a means of pride my good fellow because I admit I do not know things but have a very open mind to learning and when you challage me on topics I do as time permits loook up things because yes I am open minded and willing to understand many points of views and if an arguement is proving I will change my mind but the way you come on I sure is a bit strong. So please if you want to make a point say it respectabbly to those you are making it too. We the people are looking for open mindednes and a new cival and friendly less partisen way to sloving problems .Got to go and she you tommorw and have a good night.. Happy Holidays.. (sic) to all the mis spelted (ha,Ha) words
Gary the Socialist: "I still stick to my claim that she pays no taxes."
What, when she does to the package store, she doesn't pay the Federal excise taxes on alcohol?
How does she get out of paying all of her payroll taxes? (FUTA, SUTA, SSI, Medicare, etc.)?
You can stick to it all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that you're wrong.
Gary the Socialist: "I count taxes as what you pay to your goverment on your income."
Making up your own definition isn't going to make you right. In fact, when you don't pay your non-income taxes, guess what they charge you with, Gary — TAX evasion.
Gary: "I would ask you to please do keep your comments a bit non-personel and respectable. I try at all times and may mess up but you Sir come on ever comment section and attack and attack everyone who respectes the blog and leaves a comment."
First of all, Gary, I don't "attack everyone." I challenge those who A) disagree with me and B) are not factually accurate. You qualify on both counts. You're wrong on the facts and, while you might be entitled to your own opinion, if your opinion has no basis in reality, I'm not obligated to take it seriously or let it go unchallenged. You don't debate — debate requires facts and a logical progression, not arbitrarily redefining words, like asserting that non-income based taxes aren't taxes.
As for the rest, respect is earned, not given. Your do not live up to the ideals you espouse above, particularly your claim to open-mindedness — you are frequently wrong on the facts and refuse to acknowledge information that does fit into your assumptions.
Ok as always I hear your words and still stick to my comments.I took her 7.15 per hour and timesed by forty hours and by 52 weeks which I hope we can both agree is what the max she may be making is.She says she makes 7.15 but with tips and the best of times it goes up to 10 an hour.Part time. I took her as a full time worker.She makes 14 872 per year. If she takes her allowable deductions of personel and standed amounts that brings her taxable income to 6122.00 per year. By the tax chart I found if your income is below 7825 your tax is zero. She pays no income tax and if we allow that the same appplys to new york tax she pays no income tax. If you allow say 10 percent tax on everything she does and buys at the max amount she may be making she is possible paying in sales taxes 1500.oo based on 15,000 salary… So As the mattra is we the poor pay no taxes and its the rich who pay the taxes she has nothing to complain about with what her max tax is . If she did as some say go to a flat sales tax and some say it will be as high as 30 % she then would be paying a lot. I will stick to the fact that like me and everyone else alive and her in America we are all undertaxed and leaces off the system and I say that based on the fact that we borrow both 500 billion on budget shot falls in goverment bonds and borrow another 500 billion from Social security and some say we are headed to annual budget defeits of 1.5 trillion to 2 trillion at the low ammounts so we are all blood sucking leeches off our host body the goverment that I respect and love. So yes you can argue for a tax cut for her but I say she is getting a great deal now. If any of my math or tax numbers are wrong I say opps I have accounts that I pay to do them. I also claim ignorances of tax codes and earned income laws which she may also be entiled to.
Ps Sorry Jim. Pss I still say she pays no taxes and wonder is that not what jim preaches on his show all the time that the rich pay the taxes so is she considered rich at 15,000 per year?I say no and she is fine you say she pays taxes so maybe she should get a tax credit for that 1500 she may pay and is that not what Barrack Obama is saying also that the poor do pay the taxes you say she pays and should get a tax break on those ie a credit.So we will disagree You fall on the side of Barrack and I feel she is fine as is and the defeit spending needs a massive infusion of captiol aka time to go back to the days of fake surpluses and raise taxes to GB 1 rates and Clinton levals. SIC SIC SIC where needed.
Gary the Socialist: "I still say she pays no taxes"
That's fine… you're still wrong.
Hint: Excise taxes (i.e. taxes are not from income, but are on specific products, such as alcohol, gasoline and tobacco) are administer by the IRS.
Bottom line: every time money changes hands, the government is there with its hand out. She may not be paying any income tax, but she is getting whacked everywhere else. And don't forget the hidden taxes that businesses pass onto us in the form of higher product prices. She is paying for the price increase in Diesel fuel even if she doesn't own a vehicle.
A flat tax is predicted to be revenue neutral at about 20%, but that was before the gov't started nationalizing the country.
And money is not borrowed from Social Security, it is stolen. I doubt a single penny has ever been repaid by the gov't. They just pass the buck to future generations and keep stealing.
Dimsdale: "And don’t forget the hidden taxes that businesses pass onto us in the form of higher product prices. She is paying for the price increase in Diesel fuel even if she doesn’t own a vehicle."
Hadn't even gotten that far, Dims, but you're entirely correct — corporations don't pay taxes, the simply collect them. Ultimately, it is consumers who pay those taxes, in the form of higher prices.
Dimsdale: "And money is not borrowed from Social Security, it is stolen. I doubt a single penny has ever been repaid by the gov’t. They just pass the buck to future generations and keep stealing."
Thus far, we can only say it was borrowed, since the piper does not yet need to be paid. But look at what it has accomplished, Dims — we've managed to spend Trillions of dollars on the welfare state to no good end.
Gary wrote-Taxes she is not paying execept in the larger sense by other ways by others…..Had already said this in the begining. Bye moving on
Gary, you keep repeating that notion like simply typing it over and over will somehow make it accurate.
On the larger issue of the bail-out, the Big Three's plan is garbage — it doesn't include any sort of time-table or serious path to profitability. It would be laughed out of any lending credible lending institution or venture capitalist's office. The majority of American are against it in its current 34 Billion incarnation and many more would oppose it were it made clear that some industry experts suggest it would take nearly four times that amount over the next two years. The UAW's "concessions" are a fraud — "suspending" the job's bank program (meaning it would eventually come back) and "delaying" certain monies from the automakers are window-dressing. The bail-out doesn't even play well in the Midwest states most directly dependent upon the automakers:
"The poll indicates that most opposition to the bailout comes from the
West, where opposition reaches 67 percent. Sixty-one percent of those
polled in the Northeast, 64 percent in the South and 53 percent in the
Midwest oppose using federal dollars to help the auto makers. "