For those of you drinking the MSNBC Kool-Aid…
There are political commentators on all “news” networks. If you can not figure out the difference between a commentator like Sean Hannity and an anchor like Bret Baier, I’m not going to be able to help you. But MSNBC staff like Rachel Maddow coming out definitively saying Fox News is “Faux News” is pathetic and insane.
I picked up on this Newsbusters story last week I think. I can’t find the story now, but it revolved around a clip from Hannity where a congressman asked the viewing audience for monetary support and directed them to a political campaign website.
The left went nuts.
As a reminder, Hannity is a commentator.
To wrap up this story, and in an attempt to quiet down the MSNBC fans out there, we’re highlighting this video so you all can get off your high horse. Video efforts by Johnny Dollar’s Place. Allahpundit at Hot Air notes…
Wait, didn’t Rachel Maddow assure us on Friday that, unlike those mercenary wingnuts at Fox News who let Republican guests pitch donation URLs on the air, MSNBC is “not a political operation”? Six full minutes of fact-checkin’ fun here via Johnny Dollar, who not only spent hours piecing this lowlight reel together but has an accompanying post delving further into the hypocrisy.
httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txjXBx9-2c0
Nice try Maddow.
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this video is fantastic.
Ahhh hypocrisy…
Having to listen to madcows lunacy Painfull. Watching Johnny Dollars video Priceless.
I have never seen a better case for the existence of Fox. "Those nickels and dimes" would all be raised by the preponderance of lefty media if it weren't for Fox.
Fox: the epitome of fairness and balance; a counterbalance to the leftism of the rest of the media.
Maybe that is why so many people watch….
Steve and the Fox Kool-aiders:
I know you don't know this, but, on MSNBC, the conservative MorningJoe provides fifteen hours a week to Olbermann's 5 hours. Self-professed conservative Dylan Ratigan does five hours a week as does Andrea Mitchell. Republican commentators Pat Buchanan, Peggy Noonan, Ron Christie, Mike Murphy and a long list of other GOP loyalists are paraded in throughout the day while stories are often presented with republican narratives.
I keep switching to Fox-please update me on "fair and balanced" there-i can't find it.
(Oh, and puh-leeze don't parade the weak squeaking of Juan Williams an example).
As someone said, "Facts have a way of topping ideology."
@chris – of course, you still don't get the point, and to suggest that I'm a Fox fan is making quite the assumption. MSNBC and Maddow make fools of themselves when they bring up the subject, and you turn the argument back around to complain about Fox?
MSNBC uses the mantra "A Fuller Spectrum of News" and Fox News uses "Fair & Balanced". I'll admit, I rarely watch either network since I just don't have the time but if the Fox tag line is false in your mind, you have to admit the MSNBC tag is crap too.
It is very simple chris: the fact that Fox is one of the sole media outlets that provides an outlet for the opposing (read it: conservative) side, and conservative opinion is de facto proof that it provides balance. That it does so in a balanced way, i.e. more lefties are on Fox than vice versa, means it is fair.
And apparently, most cable TV viewers agree. When compared to the liberal nature of the rest of the media, sure it stands out. And it doesn't matter who is on or for how long. Maddow and the rest simply refuse to realize that their words are cast in stone and available for instantaneous recall with the digital nature of the media. That might be one reason that few watch them, and a reason that lefties are so enamored with the so called "Fairness Doctrine"; they can't compete in the arena of ideas with the ideas and talking points they use and need the government to try and force us to listen to them. It is also the reason they try to find ways to restrict free speech on the internet (Democrats voted overwhelmingly against HR 1606, known as the Online Freedom of Speech Act). Baidu, anyone?
I bet your tongue is bright blue, isn't it, chris? 😉
Not as blue as yours is red, Dims!
You keep bragging about ratings-more reason to do some research…the rest of viewers are divided between network news, cnn and msnbc-network news alone blows away Fox in the ratings.
And as far as cable "news", when there is a huge story, such as Katrina-CNN blows everyone away.
And, Fox is on basic cable., most cable companies have MSNBC on enhanced plans-where you pay more money-nursing homes, hospitals, hotels, dunkin donuts-on and on-get Fox not MSNBC.
(Sorry Steve, but Dims brings up ratings constantly when Fox is mentioned in here-just setting the record straight).
@os, I have a question. If MSNBC is so wonderful, why are the ratings for FoxNews a LOT BETTER?
Steve, here is the URL from Free Republic of this article:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2623936/…
@Chris-os, your credibility has been called out many times on this site, take an honest effort to research instead of being a talking piece of misinformation, with your party loyalty seething and blame placing, typical.
On election night alone, Fox had anchors Bret Baier and Megyn Kelly instead of opinion hosts.? Fox?s group of left-leaning commentators included Juan Williams, Joe Trippi, Bob Beckel, Geraldine Ferraro and Kirsten Powers, among others.? MSNBC?s main lineup, was an ALL out left lineup of nightly hosts, Keith Olbermann, Chris Matthews, Rachel Maddow and Lawrence O?Donnell.? You couldn’t watch CNN & MSNBC and get other views besides Chris Matthews being arrogant/rude to Republican wins across the country.
Throughout its programming besides election coverage, they have the same above liberal commentators as well as Marc Lamont Hill, Mara Liasson, Mary Ann Marsh, Pat Caddell, democratic pollsters, left wing talk hosts, ohh dear Jon Stewart and Bill Maher have been on O’Reilly. And they are on all the shows all the time.
PS:? On election night Fox averaged 6.96 million viewers, while CNN 2.42 million and MSNBC 1.94 million for their election night coverage.
And now, the other side of the equation: why are the liberal news outlets, i.e. papers, news shows etc. all in decline while Fox is in ascension?
Actually, my tongue would be a bit purple, inasmuch as I am more libertarian than anything else. I just have to go "red" to offset your "blue", chris. Kind of like Fox, now that I think about it…
• FNC beat CNN and MSNBC combined in total viewers and the 25-54 demographic in both total day and prime time.
• FNC was the only cable news network of the three to post audience gains across the board when compared to the 2008. CNN and MSNBC were down big in the demo.
• FNC ranked 3rd in prime time total viewers among all basic cable networks, behind only ESPN and USA Network, with CNN and MSNBC at 20th and 25th.
• FNC had the top 10 programs in cable news for the 3Q09 based on total viewership. The O’Reilly Factor was #1 for 106 consecutive months and led all programs with 3,295,000 viewers (12% increase over the same quarter last year).
• In the key 25-54 demographic, CNN plummeted 39% in prime time, averaging 287,000 viewers, and MSNBC dropped 21%, with 271,000 viewers.
• In total day, CNN was down 27% in the demo and MSNBC was down 25%.
• In total viewers, CNN was down 30% in prime time and MSNBC was down 10%, and in total day, CNN dropped 15%, while MSNBC dropped 17%.
Yeah, ya got me, chris, LOL! Don't you think that if anyone really wanted to watch Olbermann for 15 hours a week, i.e. it was even remotely profitable, they wouldn't have done so?
Dims-we match!
I was thinking the same about myself-being a moderate dem I was thinking my tongue is purple!
Something in common-whaddya think about that? My bro!
Fair and balanced .??? You have to be kidding!!.I watch Fox news ……with a morbid curiosity ..the same way people crane their necks to see an accident.Very bizarre.Having a Red baiting, evangelical confused Beck (memorized talking points)Hannity… and a pompous Oreilly ……… entertaining……… indeed.
It harkens back historically to the old muckraking the political carpet baggers engaged in.From the lies about the 200,000000 a day India trip to the idolization of Ronald Reagan who grew federal government by 7 % and raised taxes every year except for the first year he was in office.
Remember popularity doesn't equate to truth or fairness.In this case it is a salacious appeal to peoples fears and prejudices.Sara Palin is popular …so is Madonna.
Wait until the republicans get their way and screw the little guy even more than they have in the past.
Good luck ….
"Brothers" from another mother, chris! 😉
Ricky: it is all a matter perspective: I approach much of MSNBC with the same level of loathing. It has nothing to do with the fact that is still provides balance to an overwhelmingly liberal media.
We won't finish being screwed by the Democrats for decades, so how will we notice what the Reps are doing to us?
Fair and balanced .??? You have to be kidding!!.I watch Fox news ……with a morbid curiosity ..the same way people crane their necks to see an accident.Very bizarre.Having a Red baiting, evangelical confused Beck (memorized talking points)Hannity… and a pompous Oreilly ……… entertaining……… indeed.
It harkens back historically to the old muckraking the political carpet baggers engaged in.From the lies about the 200,000000 a day India trip to the idolization of Ronald Reagan who grew federal government by 7 % and raised taxes every year except for the first year he was in office.
Remember popularity doesn't equate to truth or fairness.In this case it is a salacious appeal to peoples fears and prejudices.Sara Palin is popular …so is Madonna.So is the WWE …didn't help lend credibility to Linda.Popularity does not equal validity.
Wait until the republicans get their way and screw the little guy even more than they have in the past.
Good luck ….
please don't focus on ratings. Howard Stern is tremendously popular. Ratings are a fairly meaningless measure of quality.
Maddow's comment is too ridiculous to be taken seriously. How incredibly misguided she is. On the other hand, when Beck and Eric Bolling (fox business) run with the rumor of obama's trip costing $200 million a day, it gives her "faux news"claim some credence.
both networks, from say 5:00 on are mirror images. Matthews and O'Reilly would be considered extreme were if not for the rest of the lineup. Beck is like Ed Schultz: Shultz is all simple minded bluster while Beck hides his narrow and simple views behind the learned veneer of bookish eyeglasses and a blackboard. Olberman/Maddow and Hannity are like talk radio on TV. They set up pinatas from the other party and smack them around while talking only with guests with whom they agree. The offer up much more heat than light.
Not a political operation? nonsense. Fair and Balanced (last night Brett Baier added "unafraid" to that) ? also nonsense. Given their programming when most of their viewers are watching, neither of their claims hold water.
"Nickles & dimes…" will be running thru my head all day, now. Maddow should really do a little research (MSNBC is a news organization, is it not?) before running off at the mouth and screwing her very own credibility all by her lonesome.
The approach I take is as follows: Why on earth would I watch a news channel whose commentators I find offensive & do not speak one iota to my belief system? Time is precious and I get news when and where I can (often links sent by friends) and if it's a topic that interests me, I'll look into it further. Otherwise, I ask questions and talk to a lot of people. Maddow's opinions mean less than nothing to me. She's just another angry woman out to make her mark with her ridiculous rhetoric and sarcastic tone of voice.
Yes, I get all my news from links to blogs!
Well, it is a choice, one can cover one's ears and go "lalala". I prefer to challenge my views and not let anyone spoon feed me. I think people who only watch Fox as the ones screaming how right they are with ears plugged, throwing mud at everyone else who has another view. Fox is not "fair and balanced" not neutral, neither in MSNBC, so why pretend?
MSNBC was begun as a counterpoint to Fox. (thankfully). keeps them from really going off the deep end-otherwise obama would be going to India with 134 battleships instead of the 34 and spending 400 billion/day-rather than 200 million (J/K).
At last we agree! Watching any news source exclusively is the path to subjectivity and long term ignorance. It is the one time that I agree with the concept of "diversity". I recall from my time at UMASS Amherst that only the NYT, it's mini me the Globe, and the Springfield "Republican" were distributed in the student commons at no charge. Indoctrination or just a one sided service?
So Fox is the response to the liberal bent of the media, and MSNBC is the answer to Fox? What was the question, not enough liberal news outlets? 😉 Wasn't NPR good enough for you? 😉 MSNBC is proving to be as popular as Air America? Remember them?
chris-os…just because I don't sit glued to Fox or MSNBC all day so I have something to criticize and "urgh" about on a daily basis does not mean that I have my news spoon-fed to me, nor does it mean that my ears are covered. The only free time I happen to have is in the mornings and I choose to spend them over at RVO and scanning Jim's/Steve's blog. Life really is too short to be so angry about news channels…here's a link…
http://www.viddler.com/explore/RDVIDEOLAB/videos/…
Great seminar I went to today @ school…
Great video. The best parts were the clips of Grayson's CongressmanWho'sNuts.com pitches. MSNBC is an indefensible "news" operation. It's hard for a network to be successful if its "stars" exist only to hate another network or a large segment of society. Ogreman got busted violating company policy and got spanked. Madcow got caught lying in this video. Hating FoxNews doesn't change those things.